@yonex003 Yes, that’s it. You have to bear in mind that there is a chance
your opponent is chasing the same draw. Many times there will be 7 8 J on
the table and I have the 9 and an opponent has the 10. I might think there
are 4 tens still available, when really there are only 3. On a 4-player
table, there’s about a 30% chance that someone will have one of the 10s I
need, so my number of outs on that gutshot would be between 3 and 4. I’d
only have all 4 outs for sure if I was playing alone.

@BxSQUIRREL since you never see your opponents cards , you wouldnt be able
to.. but if you have a good read on your opponent and think hes chasing a
flush or straight then you can do very general calculation. And then of
course if you are both all in you can look at your opponents cards and then
do the calculations as you would do for your own cards

@PBRMafia Please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t you forget to take
into consideration that there are TWO chances after the flop (the turn,
then river) to make your hand? Therefore, on the flop, your odds are 10/44
(turn) + 10/42 (river) = 46.5% which is close to the 40% given by the 4 and
2 method. If you haven’t made your hand on the turn, then, 10/42 = 24% for
the river which is about 2 x 10 (outs) = 20?

@Gebuza Huh? 4 to 1 means he’s getting 4 times his money for the price of
one. If it costs $25 to win $100 that’s 4 to 1. The odds are what
determines the percentage of the times you will win. For example, 9 outs
using the rule of 4 and 2 will mean you have about a 36% chance of making
your hand after the flop.

@artysmokes So what ur saying is they take in the probability of what their
opponents have? I think i understand what ur saying with using 50/50 by
saying usually you can have 9 but its 8 1/2

If he’s worked out his hand’s a 20% chance and there’s only one other
person in the pot then then theoretically the must be holding an 80% chance
given everything must equal 1 in probability.

thats what i was thinking at first… but its just to give you a quick
understanding of how strong your hand or your outs are… if you tally up
and it isnt that good, then think if someone has folded some of your outs
that its decreased alot. its for maximum possibility and to see how good
the odds and outs actually are

@theREALpromised1 You are not suppose to take your opponents hands into
consideration when applying odds. Whenever i play i usually only add the
odds that will give me the best hand so I know I can win with the best hand.

calculate odds and full tilt? i dont fucking think so. Doesn’t matter if
your a hugh favorite to win. yeah you know what im talking about howard,
runner runner flush straights your a fat scammer.

The example at the end is miss leading.That probably wasn’t a bad call by
Damon at all. He failed to mention how many chips Damon had, what the
blinds are, etc.. If Damon had 4000 chips that was an excellent call. So
the pot contained 200 chips of which he probably put in 100. Damon had the
flush draw, it only cost 100 chips and he could eliminate a player at the
risk of nothing. Obvious call.

hes getting 3;1 100 to call to win a 300 pot total

@yonex003 Yes, that’s it. You have to bear in mind that there is a chance

your opponent is chasing the same draw. Many times there will be 7 8 J on

the table and I have the 9 and an opponent has the 10. I might think there

are 4 tens still available, when really there are only 3. On a 4-player

table, there’s about a 30% chance that someone will have one of the 10s I

need, so my number of outs on that gutshot would be between 3 and 4. I’d

only have all 4 outs for sure if I was playing alone.

do you not take into account the possibility that other people have folded

some of your outs?

@BxSQUIRREL since you never see your opponents cards , you wouldnt be able

to.. but if you have a good read on your opponent and think hes chasing a

flush or straight then you can do very general calculation. And then of

course if you are both all in you can look at your opponents cards and then

do the calculations as you would do for your own cards

wait, isn’t it 3 to 1? if he called 100? because if he called 100, the pot

will become 300 instead of 200?

@PBRMafia Please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t you forget to take

into consideration that there are TWO chances after the flop (the turn,

then river) to make your hand? Therefore, on the flop, your odds are 10/44

(turn) + 10/42 (river) = 46.5% which is close to the 40% given by the 4 and

2 method. If you haven’t made your hand on the turn, then, 10/42 = 24% for

the river which is about 2 x 10 (outs) = 20?

how would u calculate the outs for the other guy?

doesnt another 2 5’s count as outs? trips will beat his pair?

Alright so here’s probably a stupid question, but if the pot is 500 and

your opponent raises 200 do I calculate the odds by 7/2 or 7/1 ??

@Gebuza Huh? 4 to 1 means he’s getting 4 times his money for the price of

one. If it costs $25 to win $100 that’s 4 to 1. The odds are what

determines the percentage of the times you will win. For example, 9 outs

using the rule of 4 and 2 will mean you have about a 36% chance of making

your hand after the flop.

what do you multiply it by like with gus hansens 20 outs do you multiply it

by 2 on the turn and 4 on flop?

he knows because he calculated his odds

@artysmokes So what ur saying is they take in the probability of what their

opponents have? I think i understand what ur saying with using 50/50 by

saying usually you can have 9 but its 8 1/2

@Ramel34 Maybe I’m not understanding what you guys are talking about.

If he’s worked out his hand’s a 20% chance and there’s only one other

person in the pot then then theoretically the must be holding an 80% chance

given everything must equal 1 in probability.

@metalcello Ok,one this whole method is stupid bcuz you shouldnt be worried

about what is going to happen on the river when your only at the turn.

thats what i was thinking at first… but its just to give you a quick

understanding of how strong your hand or your outs are… if you tally up

and it isnt that good, then think if someone has folded some of your outs

that its decreased alot. its for maximum possibility and to see how good

the odds and outs actually are

Coward folderer

@theREALpromised1 You are not suppose to take your opponents hands into

consideration when applying odds. Whenever i play i usually only add the

odds that will give me the best hand so I know I can win with the best hand.

@Allanlegacy43 ROFL

calculate odds and full tilt? i dont fucking think so. Doesn’t matter if

your a hugh favorite to win. yeah you know what im talking about howard,

runner runner flush straights your a fat scammer.

@TheCheesecar yep

@pirocan1 Would be easier and maybe even possible if you knew what cards

he/she had.

i dont … but would like to

The example at the end is miss leading.That probably wasn’t a bad call by

Damon at all. He failed to mention how many chips Damon had, what the

blinds are, etc.. If Damon had 4000 chips that was an excellent call. So

the pot contained 200 chips of which he probably put in 100. Damon had the

flush draw, it only cost 100 chips and he could eliminate a player at the

risk of nothing. Obvious call.